Reader: Call for Longer Stays

A reader writes in to ask for support for a campaign to extend the maximum time permitted for UK nationals to stay in Spain.

Readers Letter 400x250Dear Ed.

At present, UK citizens may only spend 2 x 90-day periods in Spain, separated by 90 days of absence. Whereas the UK allows Spanish Citizens, (and EEA/EU/Swiss citizens), up to 6 months per visit.

Any help to raise awareness within local & regional government that this inequity is entirely within the national competency of Spain to rectify and does not require authorisation of the EU Commission. In fact, Spain already has agreements with 19 other non-EU countries like New Zealand, USA, Canada, Singapore etc that allow citizens to spend 6 months in Spain.

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Personally, along with thousands of other property owners, I still pay my taxes, community charges, property insurance, car insurances etc, despite the 90-day restrictions.

Spain will also benefit considerably by making this change. British people coming to Spain and continuing to use their homes will support local communities throughout the year, even in the off-peak season times when business might be more difficult for them.

Sean Seldom

(Reader’s Letter: 180 Day Stay)

  25 comments for “Reader: Call for Longer Stays

  1. Patrick Barry storey
    June 1, 2022 at 10:50 am

    180 days would bring us in line with visitors to the UK. Driving too should then be the same. But I believe that you can happily drive up to a year in the UK on a foreign driving license. Yet another anomaly. Which should be addressed. then of course UK people could legally drive here.

  2. Felicity Clark
    May 30, 2022 at 7:34 pm

    We are where we are as they say on Brexit, we understand why this happened but please spare a thought for those of us who have family and work commitments in the EU. Imagine if you will, having to choose between visiting an elderly father in France or a grandchild in Spain
    It’s not all about holidays!
    Please join the groups 180 Days in Spain, France Visa Free to help us publicise our cause

  3. Alan
    May 30, 2022 at 10:26 am

    Patrick Barry Storey. Yes your passport should not be stamped if travelling with your TIE card, neither should it be stamped if travelling with a spouse who has a Spanish, (or any Schengen state), passport.
    However, there is no controlling the incorrect exuberance of border control guards who have even been known to ignore EU Directive 2004/38 which covers these rights of spouses, despite it being pointed out to them. (Stuck in a booth all day checking passports not a job for everyone).
    Anyway I would urge you to join the Facebook “180 Days in Spain” group which gives, among other things, the border experiences of many members.

  4. Patrick Barry storey
    May 29, 2022 at 6:23 pm

    Alan. Let me get this right. If I go to the UK with my UK passport and TIE. (Temporary as I exchanged my old flimsy residencia card and the five years starts with the new tie).
    My passport will not get stamped at either UK end or returning to Spain end. Is this correct. ??

  5. Alan
    May 28, 2022 at 4:29 pm

    Paul
    Travelling with your TIE residents card to other Schengen countries is as you say, restricted to 90 days in 180 but the Open Border principle applying to all Schengen countries makes it virtually unenforceable.
    Travelling to GB with your TIE and UK passport means the passport will not be stamped, neither will it be stamped on your return.
    The Schengen Calculator you’ve referenced is in the main for use by “Third countries” of which the UK is now categorised.

  6. Paul
    May 28, 2022 at 12:53 pm

    possible dodgy pasts! sorry!

    The contradiction is that Spain thoughroughly checks criminal backgrounds in order for you to secure a permanent resident visa and issues you a secure holographic smart card with biometric data but Priti Patel rejected this sophisticated high tech identification for security reasons last October. Imagine having to travel 1000 KM to submit more biometric data that could be easily scanned at any port of entry in the UK using yyour residency card…..stupid!

  7. Patrick Barry storey
    May 27, 2022 at 2:01 pm

    Gee Paul. Millions of Brits with Possible Criminal Records. !! Coming to Spain to spend there hard earnt proceeds of possible crime. !! Paul I doubt if millions of criminals still actually come to Spain. Plus either they are criminals or are not. Possible ? Is a nonsense word to use in that context. I’m told a lot of people with dodgy pasts go to Thailand. Especially those who like girls of leisure and young people. It must be true. I read it in the Bun.

  8. Paul
    May 27, 2022 at 1:02 pm

    found the answer to the 90/90 issue if a resident of EU

    If the source is legit the answer is NO

    https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/period-of-stay-calculator-british-citizens/

  9. Paul
    May 27, 2022 at 12:46 pm

    Thanks sean and Barry.

    Yep ETIAS applies in exceptional cases only

    Yes, the UK govt is broken and the very reason Priti Patel wanted out of the EU is what is holding up a simple visa for my wife….bureuacracy! Isnt it crazy a citizen cant travel with their spouse. Heck, we havent been able to travel anywhere for 3 months as the UK has her passport for an undetermined period of time. But all these millions of Brits with possible criminal records can come to Spain.

    Yep, with our permanent residency visa we can travel all over Europe but stay no longer than 90 days in any one country. I am unsure the 90/180 rule applies to residents for example 90 days in France and then 90 days in Italy….cant really find that answer…..not that we would! but a question to be answered

  10. Patrick Barry storey
    May 27, 2022 at 10:32 am

    Paul. The UK Political experts failed. Those that run the country failed. They or David Cameron bet that the vote would remain as ,Stay. Like so many politicians he got it wrong. A small majority to Leave.
    Sadly the exact issues of the consequence of Leaving. We’re not explained in straightforward fashion. I guess as no one has ever actually left the German/French dominated Club.
    If they had then maybe the vote would have marginally been in favor of stay.
    Still doesn’t explain why those from the EU can stay for six months in the UK though.

  11. Sean
    May 26, 2022 at 10:30 pm

    T Smallen.

    Please read the Section TRAVELLING FROM SINGAPORE TO EUROPE VISA-FREE UNDER BILATERAL AGREEMENTS

  12. Sean
    May 26, 2022 at 10:22 pm

    Paul
    Please see
    https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/eu-bilateral-visa-waiver-agreements

    I have a property in La Herradura where my wife & I have enjoyed 179 days of the winter months for 17 years until the UK failed in the EU withdrawal agreement to negotiate the freedom of movement arrangements we had previously enjoyed. However, water under the bridge, it is what it is. But don’t forget, 90 days spent in Spain means travel to any other Schengen country for work or leisure is prohibited during the 180 day period, with punitive penalties for transgressors.

  13. Michael
    May 26, 2022 at 5:52 pm

    Some American friends are here on a NLV, they can stay 1 year and then have the possibility to renew the visa for another year.
    Non resident British need to stop moaning, I often wonder how many of them voted to leave the UK, quite a few I imagine.
    Why not join the European Movement or Rejoin if you are unhappy with the current Brex***t

  14. T Smallen
    May 26, 2022 at 5:15 pm

    Sean

    I couldn’t find etiasvisas but I found etiasvisa.com
    https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-requirements/singapore

    If this is the correct information then it is still only a 90 day stay. Is there further information I am missing?

  15. Paul
    May 26, 2022 at 1:47 pm

    seems reasonable. But where did you get the 6 month idea for visitors to spain from the USA etc…..its only 90 days within 180 days without a visa!?

    Anyhow ….cry me a river! You should have got on the boat and got your residency while you could.

    My non-eu wife who is a permanent resident of Spain has been waiting 3 months for the UK to process a visa for her to travel with me to the UK. I magine not having your passport for 3 months ( illegal in Spain) About to serve Priti Patel and the home office a pre action notice. Dont expect any help from the Home or Foreign Office or Madrid….useless…entitled and WFH!

  16. Sean
    May 26, 2022 at 12:54 pm

    Anyone joining the campaign should recognise one of the principles is, inter alia :

    “ The campaign *does not* oppose rejoining the EU nor rejoining the single market *but* the focus is on improving the outcome of Brexit for everyone with homes in Spain and reversing Brexit is out of scope for this campaign.”

  17. Sean
    May 26, 2022 at 12:41 pm

    Replying to Gina Pinkerton.
    Log onto https://en-gb.facebook.com/groups/180daysinspain/about/

  18. Patrick Barry storey
    May 26, 2022 at 11:28 am

    Would the EU. Actually want us back. ??
    I believe that behind Germany. The UK put more funds into the EU coffers. Odd that. The other countries forget that fact. !

  19. Patrick Barry storey
    May 26, 2022 at 11:25 am

    The UK voted to leave the EU. So punishment not nourishment for you. 90 days and out.!!
    But why doesn’t the UK take the same stance. Oh yes. We like people spending their cash in the UK for as long as possible. Just to help the economy.
    Odd that. !!
    People that say. Well you shouldn’t have left. Forget the UK is a sort of democracy.
    So the slim majority. maybe misInformed or uninformed by the political parties. Won the vote to leave. So do please stop with the. I told you so stuff. Because nobody actually knew the full consequences did they. ??

  20. Sean
    May 26, 2022 at 11:01 am

    Replying to T Smallen.
    Check out etiasvisa.com which explains visa waver agreements for those countries who have such agreements of which includes New Zealand & Singapore among others.

  21. Michael
    May 26, 2022 at 10:24 am
  22. Gina Pinkerton
    May 26, 2022 at 10:03 am

    How do we join your campaign? My husband and I are in the same position.

  23. T Smallen
    May 26, 2022 at 8:35 am

    Could you please provide a link to how citizens of New Zealand and Singapore can stay in Spain for 6 months. I have family that want to visit.

  24. Michael
    May 26, 2022 at 8:07 am

    The UK are responsible for the situation and the British electorate should put pressure on whichever party to reverse the catastrophe of leaving the EU and EEA

  25. Paul Craddock
    May 26, 2022 at 7:41 am

    If the political will was there it could be done, a sort of ‘residencia light’. One problem is that the EHIC is only valid for a short term stay, usually thought of as up to 3 months. If it became mandatory to be covered by S1 or private health insurance, like for full residency, this could be done. As long as the 6 months was not exceeded so triggering tax liability then i see few problems and a boost to Spain’s economy.

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