ICU Even With Full Vaccine

The Junta, VPM, Juan Marín, has expressed his concern that there are still 358,000 people in Andalucía between the ages of 40 and 69 without vaccinations.

AND Junta Juan MarinEven more worrying is that between 15 and 17% of those in the ICU had already received both jabs prior to catching Covid-19.

Juan Marín emphasised that the health situation in Andalucía is preoccupying because of the sharp increase in cases, even though this augmentation is not translating into an equal increment in hospital cases.

He gave details on ICU occupation, stating that it was around six percent and put hospital-bed occupation from Covid around 3.5%. He said that the age group between 40 and 69 is causing concern because those that have received no vaccination at all in that group represent about 10% of the population in that age bracket.

Another telling detail is that 63% of those in ICUs are people who have not been vaccinated, either because they don’t want to be or in a few cases, they haven’t had the opportunity to obtain one due to their personal circumstances.

As mentioned above, between 15 and 17% of people in the ICUs had already received the required double-dose; i.e., both jabs, but had fallen ill with Covid anyway, and that between 13 and 14% had only received one jab.

(News: Andalucia)

  3 comments for “ICU Even With Full Vaccine

  1. Darren
    July 18, 2021 at 9:14 pm

    Welcome. The CDC is in the US and the AZ vaccine which we use here is not approved there, so information on the vaccine we’re using is a little bit scruffier than the ones they’re using.

    2 other vaccine comparisons that are a little easier to read are:
    https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
    https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-vaccines-compared-vaccine-pfizer-oxford-moderna-astrazeneca-side-effects-2021-2?op=1
    (the second link, click on the “How it works” link at the bottom of the page, and you get a drop-down list of other criteria to compare the vaccines by).

    It’s all about the odds. Being vaccinated will improve your chances a lot, but you are by no means bulletproof. And even with the best vaccines, you can still catch covid and spread it to others, even if you don’t have any symptoms yourself. Masking, social distancing and avoiding crowded indoor spaces like the *cough* plague are just as important as they ever were, vaccinated or not.

    And here in Spain, of course, we’re still balanced on the “pick your apocalypse….viral or economic” knife edge. So people are traveling around and things have to stay fairly open. I’d guess that things are going to get noticeably worse over the next couple of months. The tamping effect of people being vaccinated are being counteracted by the new energetic strains to a certain extent, so we’re still sort of in the same position we were in last year.

    What we do know is that the people in ICU now are like the visible part of the iceberg as of two weeks or so ago (it takes a couple of weeks for covid to wreck you hard enough to end up in ICU…or did; possibly some of the new strains are faster and maybe people are getting picked up earlier). Covid is still a problem.

  2. July 18, 2021 at 6:46 am

    I checked the link provided by Darren and it is governmental site and very informative.

    Thank you, Darren 😉

  3. Darren
    July 18, 2021 at 1:41 am

    Bit of a disappointing performance from what I presume is mostly the AZ vaccine. Not sure how extensive testing is in Andalucia, but you really need to know the total numbers of infected for the 17% + 14% in ICUs to have any meaning. It’s also a little weird that the one-shot number is lower than the two-shot number.

    This is a couple of months old (May 12th):
    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-05-12/10-COVID-Scobie-508.pdf
    …but seems to be saying that the vaccines are becoming less effective as more variants pop up, which makes sense. And also that there are significant differences between the effectiveness of vaccines with the AZ one, alas, not being one of the winners.

    Looks like we’re not out of the woods yet…

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