Tomorrow's English-language film that will be shown in the Auditorio in Salobreña at 17.00h will be The Burnt Orange Heresy (2019).
The Burnt Orange Heresy stars Claes Bang, Elizabeth Debicki, Mick Jagger, and Donald Sutherland. Christopher Walken was originally cast to play the artist, Jerome Debney, but was later replaced by Donald Sutherland.
Synopsis: Charismatic art critic James Figueras and his American lover travel to the lavish Lake Como estate of powerful art collector, Joseph Cassidy. Their host reveals he is the patron of Jerome Debney, the reclusive J.D. Salinger of the art world, and he has a simple request: for James to steal a Debney masterpiece from the artist’s studio, whatever the cost.
That’s Tuesday at 17.00h in the Auditorio in Salobreña
Editorial note: On average, between 25 and 35 viewers go along to this film venue, with its 500-seat capacity. Those arriving have their temperature taken upon entering and ample spacing between viewers is alloted. Masks are worn during the screening.
In the inside dining area of a restaurant, up to four people can sit to a table, many of whom spend most of their meal with their masks off.
Conclusion: for those of you who have doubts about the suitablility of attending such a screening, you are in a safer environment, logically, than eating in a restaurant or drinking in a bar. Not everybody agrees, it seems, judging by a reader’s comments on the fairground article. If it is considered safe to go to a restaurant under the present covid restrictions, then it is safe to go to watch these selection of films in the Auditorio.
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Thank you John. You have had the last word on the subject, as I promised, therefore our exchange has concluded.
Martin
I put links because everytime somebody makes a comment that you think is factually incorrect you ask for verification.
Here is another for you.
https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html
This shows how singing in an indoor setting is very dangerous, just like at Robert’s Top which is another event you promote.
So now you have had several links showing what you are promoting is more dangerous than the fairground, but still you disagree with the scientist. I am sure you know better than the straw man!
Mingling and spending short times in open air is not dangerous, read the links. As for removing the mask to shout, you will be shouting in the ear of your friends or family who no doubt you already share indoor spaces with.
Of course should you have any proof that your assertions are correct I am very happy to be corrected.
Good morning, John. No, I don’t “think I know better than scientists.” Nice straw-man argument, by the way.
You appear to think that in my opinion, generally speaking, open-air gatherings are as dangerous as inside ones, hence this relentless link offerings? Clearly they are not and nobody thinks otherwise – I certainly do not.
Look, had I criticise the screening of a film shown in an open-air cinema and then advertised one in a normal cinema, then you would have had a point – apples and apples. That would also have been the case had I criticised fairground activity but advertised a rock concert.
But neither is the case.
No, I criticised an open-air event because there will be mingling crowds, physical contact and everybody shouting in each other’s faces to be heard over the din, and if you think that people are not going to lower their masks in order to make themselves understood probably shouting straight into somebody’s ear, then you haven’t tried holding a conversation against a noisy background – having had the joy of wearing an NBC suit and an S6 respiratory in a noisy comcen back in the 70s, I know it’s fun.
You say, “…funfair is populated mostly by kids who mingle at school every day anyway,” with a care-free, side stepping of the fact that kids at school are divided into “bubbles” to avoid spreading infection yet the only bubbles they are going see at the fairground will come out of a small container with soapsuds and a blowing hoop.
Children will be touching infected areas and then holding their parents’ hands – if you believe that all surfaces will be repeatedly and diligently wiped down, you would be an unbridled optimist. Yes, “mostly populated by kids,” you offer, but unless they’re arriving in unaccompanied busloads then there is going to be at least a 50% mix of adults.
And all these links, John, you hold up in order to criticise the Gazette for promoting an inside screening, where temperatures are taken and hand gels used at the entrance to a 500-seat hall (previously disinfected) where around 30 people in masks will sit, suitably spaced out and remain seated, where there will be no shouting, no running about, no mingling… until everybody buggers off at the conclusion.
Whilst I am at a loss as to how you can present such criticism, I nevertheless do admire your dogged rearguard action to your wilting campaign against common sense. I look forward to you next barrage of links 😉
So, John, please have your next say and we shall leave it at that rather than bore the pants off the readership with our pissing match.
Equatable…..No
So now my turn. Given that the time between my last post and your reply was , according to the time stamps, 4 minutes you won’t have had time to read the El Pais article and write your reply. So I can only presume you haven’t actually read the science.
Have a read of this article it explains the amount of time you must spend with someone outdoors to transmit Covid.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55680305
Having read it do you think that you know better than the scientists? A simple “yes” or “no” would be wonderful.
John: allow me to put it briefly. Do you personally consider that these particular film screenings in the Auditorium of Salobreña, held under the conditions that they are, are equatable with the holding of the fairground attractions. A simple “yes” or “no” would be wonderful.
Martin
As I said I was not picking an argument in my last comment. I was simply setting the record straight about the mis reporting of my comment on another article, something you yourself agreed with and apologised for the misrepresentation
So now the ‘argument bit’, although I prefer to describe it as a scientific conversation. Should you disagree the below and have scientific proof I would very much like to read it.
This article entitled ‘Avoiding coronavirus infection in indoor spaces’ shows again that outdoor gatherings , whilst not risk free, are infinitely safer than indoors.
https://english.elpais.com/usa/2021-03-29/how-to-avoid-coronavirus-infection-in-indoor-spaces-dont-breathe-other-peoples-air.html
100 scientist wrote to the Spanish Government last week requesting that the government tackle the problem of Covid transmitting in poorly ventilated spaces and there is no better ventilation than being outdoors.
I have given 3 links to articles that demonstrate this and 10 minutes on Google and you will see dozens of scientific articles demonstrating the maths and science behind this.
Having said that the Junta has set these rules and I am surprised that you are using this as a defence as to why it should be allowed. On March 24th (Junta U turn) and March 18th (No Interprovincial Travel) you questioned the logic of other Junta rules. So either the Junta are always right or they are not, you can’t pick and choose.
I was hoping that you would pop up, John, as I was rushed for time before, busy getting the April, paper edition to the printer, having no time for a back and forth. I now have some time. By the way, for somebody not looking to “pick an argument,” you do a very good impression of someone who is.
I was only too happy to publish your comments, which you feel *cough* demonstrated a contradictory stance in our reporting, just the same as I am to publish your latest one below.
Your comment on the fairground/cinema considered that our criticising the Mayor’s decision to permit the fairground attractions was “incoherent” with the reader’s promotional articles that we publish for the weekly cinema.
Now, here’s the problem… you feel that fairground conditions are in some way comparable to sitting in a cinema, which is why you criticised the Gazette – if one is bad, then they both are, you consider, it seems. Yet, this requires them to be equally risky, which they most definitely are not. In fact to even portray the cinema conditions in some way comparable with the milling crowds of a fairground attractions requires a little mental gymnastics in my opinion.
Yes, you did clearly say that you were against inside seating in restaurants; I do not dispute this and I apologise if that is how it came over.
I brought up restaurants because under present Covid restrictions inside dining is permitted, therefore if it is deemed “OK” there, then the cinema sessions are logically a safer environment. The Junta has a completely different take on events and large gatherings, be they open air or not, which it frowns upon and strongly recommend that they they do not take place; hence the Gazette’s stance on the fairground attractions.
Don’t get me wrong, John, I do very much appreciate readers’ input and even criticism, even when it is not justified, which is, I feel, what many readers would consider in this case.
Martin
I am not here to pick an argument and I welcome that you published my comments on the fairground that showed your assumptions were incorrect. Many publications would not.
However I do feel that I must point out you have mis-reported my comments on the fairground attractions.
At no point did I say restaurants were safer or more dangerous than the cinema. I compared the cinema to the fairground. I showed that the indoor is more dangerous than outdoors. The only mention I made of restaurants was a personal belief that indoor restaurants shouldn’t be allowed.